This time, Dag Solstad is meeting with actor and writer Emir Çubukçu on the stage of ITEF 2022. They will touch on the irony in Solstad's literature and the political and theatrical expressions in his works. Their characters will discuss the differences in the narratives of both past and present books, by addressing the pain they feel from being themselves and their existence, as well as the problems created by the relationship styles of closed Northern societies.